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Alex Chambers: Then he covered the 1968 Democratic National Convention. He was tear-gassed alongside Katharine Graham. Another decade and a half and he predicted Chicago's first black mayor. The ink was in his blood. This week on Inner States, Monroe Anderson on objectivity, racial politics in Chicago, and why he couldn't quit journalism. Coming up after this.




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Alex Chambers: It's Inner States. I'm Alex Chambers. After Donald Trump was elected President, journalism realized it had a dilemma on its hands about what it meant to be, quote, unquote, "objective". At the beginning of 2017, for example, Lewis Raven Wallace wrote a post on his personal blog saying, "Objectivity is dead and I'm okay with it." He was working for NPR's Marketplace at the time. They asked him to take it down, saying it didn't comport with expectations around objectivity. He refused and he was fired. He has since produced a podcast and written a book called The View From Somewhere: Undoing The Myth Of Journalistic Objectivity. He argues that, quote, unquote, "Objective journalism usually benefits the people in power and this dynamic has been at play long before President Trump." That question of what it means to have a position, to care about a particular group of people, say, and to have strong opinions and to maintain your integrity as a journalist, that's part of what I was interested in when I invited Monroe Anderson to sit down for an interview.


Monroe Anderson: Yeah. It did. It did, yeah. Well, let's go back to my actual internship. Okay. Before I did the internship, I wasn't really interested. I, I had no ink in the blood. When I was in seventh grade at Roosevelt High School in Gary, my English teacher pulls me aside and says to me, after I'd done a paper, he says, "You are a writer, you're really talented, you are a writer." I'd had teachers tell me that I was smart or this or that, but no-one had assigned a specific talent to me. So, from that point on, I quit studying my math. I thought of myself [LAUGHS] as a writer. I became editor of the Junior High, eighth grade, page in the high school newspaper. I, I went on to be editor of the newspaper, but I thought of myself as a writer. And so I was going to be James Bowen. And then we got a visit from a black journalist from Chicago. He worked for the Chic-- His name was Les Brownlee. He worked for the Chicago Daily News and he came over and talked to our class, journalism class, and he said now was the best time for us to go into journalism, because things were changing.


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Monroe Anderson: [LAUGHS] And then she says to me, "Do you realize if you graduate with a degree in journalism from Indiana University, you'll be able to write your own meal ticket." At 18, the idea of writing my own meal ticket was intriguing and so, I, I took that into consideration, although I still want to be g-- the novelist. When I covered the Democratic National Convention, besides being beaten on the first night by the cops, and we-- after we were beaten and we were pulled off this-- we was part of the street team, we were put in the office. John Culhane, who's the real job-- journalist, correspondent and, and me, we were pulled off because they thought we had done something to provoke the police and that was on a Sunday. Monday we were pulled off. The cops were beating the living daylights out of everybody. It was a police riot. And so, by Tuesday they were-- realized it wasn't us, it was them.


Monroe Anderson: Exactly. So, that sh-- That-- Yeah, that shaped me because I realized there was two sides to every story, literally. I mean, I, I've witnessed it, because, because I was working for the IU News Bureau, after the protests were over and the President has had a heart attack or something. He had, he had a medical condition where they took him out on a stretcher, so it was international news. My job, since I was covering it for, for John, my job was to write a press release, talking about the protest and what happened and what have you.


Monroe Anderson: And so, I sit down and I write up a, a letter and I send it to him and very quickly after I hear from him, I get a phone call and they say they would like to interview me, when could I come in. I say, well, I'll be home for spring break and I live in Gary, you know, Chicago's not that far away so I can do it then. And they said fine. My interview is the day before my 21st birthday and a day after Doctor King has been assassinated and the city is in-- it was west side and Chicago was in flames. It was the easiest job interview I've had in my life [LAUGHS]. So, that's how, that's how I got there. And, and the thing was, at that time, what the-- the transition that was going on was that, because of the riots, newspapers and magazines, TV stations, also, decided they needed at least one black because white journalists were becoming targets in those riots.


Monroe Anderson: The election was shaping up with Richard Daley and Jane Byrne and they were going to challenge each other and I said-- I, I don't know if you know of Bill Kurtis. He used to be an anchor in Chicago and, anyway, Bill would have this party, pre-Christmas party every year. So, I was-- I went to the party and all the political reporters were sitting at a table and they were having this debate on who was going to win, which would be Richard Daley or Jane Byrne. And I had been covering the black community and I knew that on the west side and the south side, meetings were going on where they wanted to run a black candidate, because the black community put Jane Byrne in office and then she, she stabbed them in the back and went with what she had called the evil cabal, the, the white power structure.


Controversially, the trio (well, two of them) set punditry aside briefly to talk about a game they've been playing. John and Oli have been working through Supergiant Games' beautiful Xbox Live Arcade adventure Bastion, as reviewed by Brammers today. It is style or substance? And do we have either?


DECONTO: I think it was a little bit of a surprising result, in that it's expected that as the world continues to warm over the century, that there are storms will become bigger and badder and more intense. The modeling that was done suggests that, indeed, it looks like the stronger storms will get stronger, but what they found also was that the storm tracks where these storms go, end up being a little bit further offshore and away from the coastline. So, those two things sort of balance each other out. So, there wasn't a really big increased impact on New York from the tropical cyclones themselves. But then when we consider those tropical cyclones in the future on top of the fact that the oceans are going to be rising - So the background sea levels are going to be going up - then we found that there is a really big impact on New York.


CURWOOD: So, now Nat Geo is split into a media company which has a commercial purpose, and, and you are the CEO of the nonprofit side of the National Geographic Society. So, where you and your colleagues taking the organization on this nonprofit side?


KNELL: We have been convening different audiences in Washington, actually across the political divide. We have ways of engaging with skeptics that other environmental organizations are unable to do, and the other thing I would say, Steve, is, you know, as a nonprofit because we are not really totally dependent on fundraising we don't have to demonize individuals or groups that some folks in different movements have to do to raise money, which is great because you're able to raise money, but the flip side is you're never going to get a meeting with the individuals you've attacked. So, what we're trying to do is leverage our nonpartisan approach, as challenging as that may be in a highly partisan political environment, in a media environment, to educate members and their staffs about critical issues and I think we're making some progress there.


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Crazy Eights is a game similar to the popular card game Uno. The strategy is to be the first to get rid of all your cards and force your opponent to pick up more. At the beginning of each hand, all users are given five cards, and one card is dealt out to determine the starting suit and number. When it is his or her turn, a player must lay down a card that matches either the number or the suit of the previously played card. The eights in the suits are considered wild cards, and they allow the player who holds them to change the current suit. In addition to the standard numbered cards, you may also play "skip," "reverse," and "draw two" cards, which makes the next player skip a turn, reverses the direction of play, and makes the next player draw two cards, respectively. When a player runs out of cards and wins the game, he or she is given points equal to the value of all the cards that his or her opponents are still holding. The goal is to get as many points as you can and to give up as few points as possible.


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